A NCDL is required here for ID & they made a copy. They do at the DMV here also. I know this as my company bought a privately owned trailer within the last 2 months & it was done at the DMV also.

I used a PO Box & a company street address in NC as to not set off and alarms. The street did not match my DL. Paid with bank check. Had to complete a FACR form I think that is what it was called. Offshore drug dealer money laundering form. This was for a used car around $10K. but the deal went a OK left with car and a 30 day tag yesterday. Today by 8:00 AM I delivered car to my daughter 2 hour drive away.

Around 11:00 Am the day after I got the car with my daughter having the keys in her hand the dealer called & left a message that NC requires:

a. Articles of inc. filed with Sec. of State 1st page of charter with title. I do not want to foreign file with NC Sec. of State as this may trigger just that w/ the use of a NM LLC.

b. Evidence of an assumed name filed w/ Reg. of deeds in the county.

c. Privilege license in city or county. This may work at additional cost and may cause NC LLC foreign file trigger & tax problems later.

d. Use of name issued by the Federal motor carrier safety adm. N/A to me.

c. Fed ID doc. I'm thinking EIN # copy N/A to me.

Dealer was only told the LLC Name and not state. This may not work out. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Submitted Link #1: http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_services/registra...

... Any NC drivers out there who've titled a car in that state?

I suspect it is the dealer who is causing the problem. If so, the only solution is to buy from a private party. (A friend in WA tried to buy a nearly-new car for cash yesterday, using an LLC. The dealer refused to sell unless my friend would show personal photo ID, so no sale was made. That problem never arises when you buy from a private party, assuming the seller has a clear title.)

As for the link below, it appears to appy to personal registrations. I see no mention of vehicles purchased by an out-of-state company.

UPDATE 9-19. John will return his LLC and Rosie will refund his money. A note will be made to warn any other NC residents about the state's restrictions.

JJ, thanks for your response to #6411. You're right, I do worry too much. That sounds so much nicer than saying I'm paranoid :)

I bought your "How to be Invisible" book. It's pretty good and I've already done most of the "Level One" suggestions, but it doesn't really address some specific privacy concerns professionals face - like how once you're in the system to minimize the damage (I'm not quitting teaching anytime soon, for instance).

I can't do much of the stuff you describe since it's vital for my career that things I write in journals are linked with my name (since that's the name my advanced degrees are in). Still, I'd really like the University to have less access to my information especially after some recent events. I did some research in a controversial area. Some people in the school didn't support this research, and now basically everyone who's an employee has access to my address, name, SSN. Unexpected fiasco. For the future, if I continue on a similar line of research, I don't want an address on file in case they ever decide to sue me for libel in England. I'm absolutely serious. They do this kind of thing at my University to shut people up. Very petty people.

So if you'd be so kind as to put in some tips for those of us, by virtue of our profession (doctor, lawyer, teacher) are in the system in your next edition and really can't quit, that'd be nice. I'd buy it. Again.

... The obvious solution is to MOVE. Then, hide that new address. Keep giving your old one, or another one. Never get mail at the new address, or allow any delivery whatsoever. Nada. Zip.

Here in NM, and apparently in many other states too, based on my research, if you walk into the DMV with nothing but your LLC papers, the seller's title signed over to the LLC, and a bill of sale, like you did in WA (which was the example you mentioned in your book), you'll get laughed out of the building.

Can you give a list of some states other than WA which you know for sure don't require proof of insurance, proof of the buyer's address, physical availability of the car so a VIN and odometer inspection can be performed, and ID of the person who shows up in person to do the titling and registering even though the buyer is an LLC?

Maybe even a state which allow the entire process to be done by mail, so I never have to show up in person? Depending on what information and documents are required by mail, I think this would be a perfect solution for many HTBI readers.

In short, following the example in HTBI would require me to go to WA. I'm looking for an easier way--either a closer state, or a state where I can do it by mail. Even if none of the other states you know about are closer for me, it would still be worthwhile to list them for the benefit of other readers who might be in or close to them.

By the way, here for question #4270, you said about FL, "I have always been asked for ID, either when registering a vehicle in the name of an LLC, or when renewing the annual tabs. However, the clerk just looks at my passport and hands it back with no comment." This worries me; I'd be at the mercy of the clerk's whims and the local policies of the particular DMV office I go to, and I have no way to know whether he'll photocopy my ID after I hand it to him. I'm looking for states like WA where ID isn't required at all.

One final thing on this topic, question #3673 asks, "any suggestions for WA residents to go about still licensing a vehicle in an LLC with an out-of-state address?" In your response you say, "If you have a WA driver's license, however, it appears you may be stuck." But why does it matter whether you have a WA license, if you don't have to show it when titling and registering? Or has this, too, changed since you wrote the HTBI example in 2004? My license isn't from WA, but if I have to show it in order to prove that, then it might get photocopied, so WA would be yet another unsuitable state.

On a different topic, do you know of any insurance company, in any state, which will insure an LLC-owned vehicle without requiring an SSN or driver's license from anybody? Or is this an impossible dream in today's USA?

... I do not have a state-by-state list, but normally I hear complaints only about the New York DMV.

As for ID, this bothers you more than me. The registration will show only the LLC name, not your name.

As for Washington state, when you list a Canary Islands address for an LLC, the DMV will want a local address as well UNLESS the driver is from another state (as I am).

Some states require more data when the car will be in a big city, than if in a small town.

If you still have questions, please include an e-mail address.

I would need more information. Specifically, what is the language in the town's "tax" statute? If the language says that any "resident" must pay the tax on a vehicle owned by him, then your plausible argument is "I don't own the vehicle, it's owned by the company I work for, and they allow me to use it. It's licensed in the state where the company has its offices, and therefore, under the "Full Faith and Credit provisions of the US Constitution, Illinois is compelled to honor the registration of the vehicle from Ohio. Therefore, because I am not the owner of the vehicle, I am not required to pay the tax, and because the owner of the vehicle does not reside or operate a business in the town, it is not obligated to pay the tax."

If, on the other hand, the ordinance requires such a "sticker" for any vehicle inside the city limits for some statutory length of time, then I'd argue equal protection violation if that tax is not levied on ALL vehicles entering the town, regardless of their stay. Or I'd get the sticker in the name of the LLC that "owns" the vehicle, using a bogus letterhead from the "President" of the company that authorizes you to deal with the paperwork.

Thanks! I have given out a number of copies of your HTBI book to friends, family, and colleagues.